What culture war(s) are currently going on in your country? If there is any
August 3, 2024
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Conservative vs social democratic. The conservatives basically oppose active travel, decarbonisation, building new homes and infrastructure etc. whilst the social democrats are in favour of these things.
Then there’s also the whole LGBTQ thing.
Another big and rising problem is the far right. After previous governments have failed to control immigration and integration, people have turned to the far right, and recently there have been far right attacks on mosques for example.
liberal cities vs catholic countryside. Plus I would say in gen z incels vs women. Incels blame their situation on women, like “storng leader” like Franco and z gen women are ambitious, relationship is not their priority and incels want them to be liek their mothers doing all houseworks.
LGBT haters vs LGBT supporters, mostly.
Landsbergis haters vs Landsbergis non-haters which mostly translates into left vs righ.
Define culture wars.
If I understand it right. We have different culture wars.
The most famous one I could thimk of is the on-going war of Manele vs other song genres (most common “enemy” being Metal, due to their reputation as “satanic songs” which is false)
This war is a constant on and off thing. With a lot of people saying Manele (this genre of music) suck and they are the worst.
While people that listen to said genre saying Metal is seen as satanic and that they don’t wash.
But I don’t really care about it. Although I would rather listen to metal rather than manele.
Another one I can think of is the dialects war.
It isn’t uncommon for some parts of the country to have different accents and words in each region.
From what I can tell, basically upper class people vs everyone else. We don’t live in segregated communities or anything like in other countries, but the idea that the government cares only for the rich and will do anything in their power to keep you poor is hammered into you since birth (at least it was for me). It also doesn’t help that rich people in Scotland tend to vote differently from the average person, creating a bit more of a divide.
We have 1v1 match every first Saturday of the month on main square in capital city, mostly older men go to pray on the middle of the square and then wokeists come to make noise and protest against prayers, today was no exception. I dont support either and am amused by the event.
Pro war anti war
Unfortunately, this is a cultural war that doesn’t have any impact on the establishment
In England and in Ireland we have far right vs everyone else at the moment, but especially in England. In Ireland there’s annoying American diasporics trying to bring a MAGA style right wing to the country, which is stirring up anti immigration sentiment and rioting. In England there have been far right riots up and down the country after the Southport stabbing and misinformation that followed. In England there’s also been a big “culture war” (I dislike this term) over transphobes and trans people and allies.
Pro-Islamism vs Pro-West vs Nationalist pro-isolationalism.
You probably know ideology of our government. Our opposition is divided among itself.
One group support good relations with the west even if that means some sacrifice
And other group believes both the middle east and the west hates us so trying to get along with them is meaningless so we should not be involved with things that are not related with us. Also for them we should be cautious and only diplomatic with relations with these parties.
There’s one that’s following the actual one, the war against everything Russian or Russian – adjacent. The question is whether we should be radically against all of that or should some stuff remain unchanged. And also about what do we consider as Russian or Russian adjacent. Whether historical figures were Russian or simply Russian speaking, with Gogol, Bulgakov, Prokofiev, Chekhov, Repin, Chaikovsky as examples. Also there’s a question of Ukrainian Orthodox church of Moscow patriarchate, should it stay or should it be banned, does it still have connections with Moscow or not and so on. Also what should we do with Russian speaking people, how do we encourage them to switch to Ukrainian and whether we should do something about it at all. Also there’s been a campaign of renaming streets and entire settlements since they were named/renamed during Russian rule, so what should we rename them and which names should stay. Some cities having several names throughout the history, such as Sevastopol/Sevastopil/Akyar/Akhtiyar/Khersones/Korsun, so which name should it have
The idea of culture wars is highly questionable imo, but if you want to know some weird cultural “debate” that is going on right now, my “favorite” is around gendering nouns (most german words that describe humans have a male and a female version, like policeman and policewoman).
There has been a fairly slight push from some activists/politicians/academics to abandon the generic masculine (meaning that the male version includes all genders). The alternatives are either fairly normal and unproblematic but some are pretty ridiculous.
Anways, the right lost their absolute minds over it and it has become a “serious” political issue.
There are two really big culture war topics at the moment.
1. Environmentalism. Be it the perennial favourite, the speed limit on the Autobahn (Germany’s answer to the US’ gun control debate), bike routes or vegan meat alternatives.
2. “Gendern”. German is a gendered language. While linguistically, grammatical gender has nothing to do with actual gender, research has shown that most people don’t perceive it as such. So there have been attempts to make the language more inclusive.
As everywhere, the culture wars are stoked from the right. Mostly by men past their prime who really fear for their relevance in public discourse.
Left vs Right vs Far right
Pro immigration vs against immigration
Pro-LGBT vs anti-LGBT
Pro-West vs Anti-West
Greeks who live in Greece vs Greeks who left the country since the crisis vs Diaspora Greeks.
Trap vs any other genre. Also Greek music vs Foreign music.
Athens vs the rest of the country.
Here in the netherlands mostly either pro immigration vs anti immigration and pro woke vs anti woke. Just like in poland it is mostly liberal cities against traditional countryside (not religiously influenced as much though)
The pro immigration vs anti immigration is most prominent in the big cities, for example Amsterdam. A lot of natively dutch people(me included) find it quite harsh to hardly hear dutch on the streets anymore there. Even in a regular McDonalds in the city centre you cannot even order a simple meal in dutch anymore because they only speak English. I do not feel bad for my country though because it was self inflicted. Too easy immigration and not strongly enough enforced rules and laws.
Vlaanderen (Flanders) and Wallonië (Wallonia) have hated eachother since the existence of Belgium (though the identity of wallonia is recent in history). But lately Flanders wants to seperate from Belgium due to disagreements with Wallonia (on a cultural and economic scale) which understandably caused alot of controversy. Most of the reasons are the difference in language, culture and the fact that Wallonia relies on the Flemish economy to help pay for their social programs.
This isn’t the first time this happened but this time the voter turnout in flanders seems to be leaning more and more towards the right / far right seperatist, with the right wing party NVA winning together with far right Vlaams Belang by a landslide against the left wing. Luckily though NVA didn’t collaborate with the other far right group Vlaams Belang, and instead made a collaboration with non-right wing groups.
Kinda sad to see this happen though, sometimes it does feel like we’re two different countries but I don’t really want that to happen.
I’m Scottish, there are a few:
Pro/anti independence
Transgender stuff – self ID, bathrooms, prisons, children’s care etc
Political differences with the rest of the UK – brexit, rise in reform party south of the border etc – Scotland as a whole is generally more left leaning than the rest of the UK
In the UK as a whole there’s been a massive rise in far-right violence following the Southport stabbings. Thankfully the far right presence is a lot smaller in Scotland and we haven’t had any riots so far, but it’s worrying to see and I’m hoping it doesn’t spread
In Ireland I think immigration is the big issue right now. Like no major party really opposes immigration but there’s a large minority of people who really want to cut it down, end asylum centres being built etc. We’ve had a couple notable riots also. It’s hard to know if any party will tap into this or not.
Well I’ve just had a look on social media and there are currently race riots (Whites vs Muslims) taking place in many towns and cities in the UK.
A few years ago in Denmark, the national conservative parti Dansk Folkeparti tried to push for pork being mandatory in all publicly owned kindergartens and cafeteria.
It still comes up once in a while when some magistrate cantine has a vegan/vegetarian day or God forbid they serve an additional non pork meal for the Muslims and others who doesn’t eat pork.
Pork is the most important element of Danish culture.
In Estonia seems currently no any disagreements. Local Russians, Estonians and Ukrainian refugees just minding own business, making money, trying to enjoy life. Conspiracy conservatives party has temporary internal issues, so society can rest in peace
Pro environmentalists vs anti environmentalists in Serbia (it’s an extension of pro and anti establishment war)
Everything started with a fight against mini hydropower plants on Stara planina (Balkan mountain)
Then the main Serbian power plant blew up because it was led by idiots who burned the worst quality coal mixed with heating oil (that type of coal was even banned in communist era, it’s that bad),
There are also problems with deforestation, breaking of all environmental laws in Chinese mines in the east of the country, PM 2,5 pollution, Drina chain garbage, Chinese tyre factory
The biggest issue is potential lithium mining (and gold mining threat is rising too) since people are worried by acid transportation and waste storing (mine is located in the most important agricultural regions of Serbia and Bosnia, and few important cities are in destruction zone)
Pro vs anti-immigration
Pro vs anti-wolves
Progressives vs the anti-“woke” squad
Pro vs anti-nitrogen regulations for farmers
Pro vs anti-Russia/Ukraine
Pro vs anti-acknowledgement and apology for our colonial past
Anti-Islam vs all sorts of more accepting views, from just wanting to fight extremism and shame culture but accepting mainstream Islam, to classifying any kind of criticism against anything related to Islam as racism.
Anti-trans vs lgbtqia-friendly views that are trans supportive. We have some people adopting the US wars here on the far right. Not very successfully, but it’s there.
from what i’ve observed from the rest or europe, thankfully very few.
There are some right wing influences that try to stoke the fire, but I think people have been steadfoot and haven’t taken the bait.
Only things our own politicians have imported from the US that no one cares about, trying to ignore the real issues we face like gang wars and the destruction of our welfare system by corruption (by the very same politicians).
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Conservative vs social democratic. The conservatives basically oppose active travel, decarbonisation, building new homes and infrastructure etc. whilst the social democrats are in favour of these things.
Then there’s also the whole LGBTQ thing.
Another big and rising problem is the far right. After previous governments have failed to control immigration and integration, people have turned to the far right, and recently there have been far right attacks on mosques for example.
liberal cities vs catholic countryside. Plus I would say in gen z incels vs women. Incels blame their situation on women, like “storng leader” like Franco and z gen women are ambitious, relationship is not their priority and incels want them to be liek their mothers doing all houseworks.
LGBT haters vs LGBT supporters, mostly.
Landsbergis haters vs Landsbergis non-haters which mostly translates into left vs righ.
Define culture wars.
If I understand it right. We have different culture wars.
The most famous one I could thimk of is the on-going war of Manele vs other song genres (most common “enemy” being Metal, due to their reputation as “satanic songs” which is false)
This war is a constant on and off thing. With a lot of people saying Manele (this genre of music) suck and they are the worst.
While people that listen to said genre saying Metal is seen as satanic and that they don’t wash.
But I don’t really care about it. Although I would rather listen to metal rather than manele.
Another one I can think of is the dialects war.
It isn’t uncommon for some parts of the country to have different accents and words in each region.
From what I can tell, basically upper class people vs everyone else. We don’t live in segregated communities or anything like in other countries, but the idea that the government cares only for the rich and will do anything in their power to keep you poor is hammered into you since birth (at least it was for me). It also doesn’t help that rich people in Scotland tend to vote differently from the average person, creating a bit more of a divide.
We have 1v1 match every first Saturday of the month on main square in capital city, mostly older men go to pray on the middle of the square and then wokeists come to make noise and protest against prayers, today was no exception. I dont support either and am amused by the event.
Pro war anti war
Unfortunately, this is a cultural war that doesn’t have any impact on the establishment
In England and in Ireland we have far right vs everyone else at the moment, but especially in England. In Ireland there’s annoying American diasporics trying to bring a MAGA style right wing to the country, which is stirring up anti immigration sentiment and rioting. In England there have been far right riots up and down the country after the Southport stabbing and misinformation that followed. In England there’s also been a big “culture war” (I dislike this term) over transphobes and trans people and allies.
Pro-Islamism vs Pro-West vs Nationalist pro-isolationalism.
You probably know ideology of our government. Our opposition is divided among itself.
One group support good relations with the west even if that means some sacrifice
And other group believes both the middle east and the west hates us so trying to get along with them is meaningless so we should not be involved with things that are not related with us. Also for them we should be cautious and only diplomatic with relations with these parties.
There’s one that’s following the actual one, the war against everything Russian or Russian – adjacent. The question is whether we should be radically against all of that or should some stuff remain unchanged. And also about what do we consider as Russian or Russian adjacent. Whether historical figures were Russian or simply Russian speaking, with Gogol, Bulgakov, Prokofiev, Chekhov, Repin, Chaikovsky as examples. Also there’s a question of Ukrainian Orthodox church of Moscow patriarchate, should it stay or should it be banned, does it still have connections with Moscow or not and so on. Also what should we do with Russian speaking people, how do we encourage them to switch to Ukrainian and whether we should do something about it at all. Also there’s been a campaign of renaming streets and entire settlements since they were named/renamed during Russian rule, so what should we rename them and which names should stay. Some cities having several names throughout the history, such as Sevastopol/Sevastopil/Akyar/Akhtiyar/Khersones/Korsun, so which name should it have
The idea of culture wars is highly questionable imo, but if you want to know some weird cultural “debate” that is going on right now, my “favorite” is around gendering nouns (most german words that describe humans have a male and a female version, like policeman and policewoman).
There has been a fairly slight push from some activists/politicians/academics to abandon the generic masculine (meaning that the male version includes all genders). The alternatives are either fairly normal and unproblematic but some are pretty ridiculous.
Anways, the right lost their absolute minds over it and it has become a “serious” political issue.
There are two really big culture war topics at the moment.
1. Environmentalism. Be it the perennial favourite, the speed limit on the Autobahn (Germany’s answer to the US’ gun control debate), bike routes or vegan meat alternatives.
2. “Gendern”. German is a gendered language. While linguistically, grammatical gender has nothing to do with actual gender, research has shown that most people don’t perceive it as such. So there have been attempts to make the language more inclusive.
As everywhere, the culture wars are stoked from the right. Mostly by men past their prime who really fear for their relevance in public discourse.
Left vs Right vs Far right
Pro immigration vs against immigration
Pro-LGBT vs anti-LGBT
Pro-West vs Anti-West
Greeks who live in Greece vs Greeks who left the country since the crisis vs Diaspora Greeks.
Trap vs any other genre. Also Greek music vs Foreign music.
Athens vs the rest of the country.
Here in the netherlands mostly either pro immigration vs anti immigration and pro woke vs anti woke. Just like in poland it is mostly liberal cities against traditional countryside (not religiously influenced as much though)
The pro immigration vs anti immigration is most prominent in the big cities, for example Amsterdam. A lot of natively dutch people(me included) find it quite harsh to hardly hear dutch on the streets anymore there. Even in a regular McDonalds in the city centre you cannot even order a simple meal in dutch anymore because they only speak English. I do not feel bad for my country though because it was self inflicted. Too easy immigration and not strongly enough enforced rules and laws.
Vlaanderen (Flanders) and Wallonië (Wallonia) have hated eachother since the existence of Belgium (though the identity of wallonia is recent in history). But lately Flanders wants to seperate from Belgium due to disagreements with Wallonia (on a cultural and economic scale) which understandably caused alot of controversy. Most of the reasons are the difference in language, culture and the fact that Wallonia relies on the Flemish economy to help pay for their social programs.
This isn’t the first time this happened but this time the voter turnout in flanders seems to be leaning more and more towards the right / far right seperatist, with the right wing party NVA winning together with far right Vlaams Belang by a landslide against the left wing. Luckily though NVA didn’t collaborate with the other far right group Vlaams Belang, and instead made a collaboration with non-right wing groups.
Kinda sad to see this happen though, sometimes it does feel like we’re two different countries but I don’t really want that to happen.
I’m Scottish, there are a few:
Pro/anti independence
Transgender stuff – self ID, bathrooms, prisons, children’s care etc
Political differences with the rest of the UK – brexit, rise in reform party south of the border etc – Scotland as a whole is generally more left leaning than the rest of the UK
In the UK as a whole there’s been a massive rise in far-right violence following the Southport stabbings. Thankfully the far right presence is a lot smaller in Scotland and we haven’t had any riots so far, but it’s worrying to see and I’m hoping it doesn’t spread
In Ireland I think immigration is the big issue right now. Like no major party really opposes immigration but there’s a large minority of people who really want to cut it down, end asylum centres being built etc. We’ve had a couple notable riots also. It’s hard to know if any party will tap into this or not.
Well I’ve just had a look on social media and there are currently race riots (Whites vs Muslims) taking place in many towns and cities in the UK.
A few years ago in Denmark, the national conservative parti Dansk Folkeparti tried to push for pork being mandatory in all publicly owned kindergartens and cafeteria.
It still comes up once in a while when some magistrate cantine has a vegan/vegetarian day or God forbid they serve an additional non pork meal for the Muslims and others who doesn’t eat pork.
Pork is the most important element of Danish culture.
In Estonia seems currently no any disagreements. Local Russians, Estonians and Ukrainian refugees just minding own business, making money, trying to enjoy life. Conspiracy conservatives party has temporary internal issues, so society can rest in peace
Pro environmentalists vs anti environmentalists in Serbia (it’s an extension of pro and anti establishment war)
Everything started with a fight against mini hydropower plants on Stara planina (Balkan mountain)
Then the main Serbian power plant blew up because it was led by idiots who burned the worst quality coal mixed with heating oil (that type of coal was even banned in communist era, it’s that bad),
There are also problems with deforestation, breaking of all environmental laws in Chinese mines in the east of the country, PM 2,5 pollution, Drina chain garbage, Chinese tyre factory
The biggest issue is potential lithium mining (and gold mining threat is rising too) since people are worried by acid transportation and waste storing (mine is located in the most important agricultural regions of Serbia and Bosnia, and few important cities are in destruction zone)
Pro vs anti-immigration
Pro vs anti-wolves
Progressives vs the anti-“woke” squad
Pro vs anti-nitrogen regulations for farmers
Pro vs anti-Russia/Ukraine
Pro vs anti-acknowledgement and apology for our colonial past
Anti-Islam vs all sorts of more accepting views, from just wanting to fight extremism and shame culture but accepting mainstream Islam, to classifying any kind of criticism against anything related to Islam as racism.
Anti-trans vs lgbtqia-friendly views that are trans supportive. We have some people adopting the US wars here on the far right. Not very successfully, but it’s there.
from what i’ve observed from the rest or europe, thankfully very few.
There are some right wing influences that try to stoke the fire, but I think people have been steadfoot and haven’t taken the bait.
Only things our own politicians have imported from the US that no one cares about, trying to ignore the real issues we face like gang wars and the destruction of our welfare system by corruption (by the very same politicians).
Sweden.